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February 25, 2013


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That really is just what his humor is like, we should really be asking why the Academy chose him to host.

I didn't watch any of it when it aired, but I certainly heard about it the next day. Saw clips of it. I never liked McFarlane and don't find any of his work or the man himself funny. I have watched Family Guy. Quite offensive to me. And what does it say about our culture/society that we tolerate this kind of stuff?

Totally disagree. I think the Seth's show was funny, although a bit too old timey for me, with the musical bits. Women can handle comedy and to think we have to protect ourselves or our kids from it is silly. There was no hatred there. It's comedy. It was hilarious. He was making fun of the whole thing. Back to the boring stuff next year.

I feel this way too, and I really really hate pedophile jokes. Whether it's teachers or priests or camp councilors. It's not a funny subject and the actual victims of such horror don't think it's funny either. So let's just effing stop it. I had to stop watching Louis C.K. because of this issue, and I'm really sad about that, but it's. not. funny.

I don't know if his schtick is racist or misogynist. I do know it is rude and crude. I do not watch Family Guy or the Simpsons or most of the 'cartoon' shows available as I object to their offensive style of humor. Although I live in US I watch a lot of Canadian tv. There seems to be a lack of the insult, crude, mean type of humor there. Many of their shows have a real sweetness about them. Yes, they are tough on their politicians but not personal. I am tired of being bombarded by so much negative nastiness that I find on tv in the USA today. I think it breeds the lack of empathy we see so prevalent among our children. JMO

Yes, yes, a thousand times, yes. I always stay up to the bitter end, no matter how tired I am or how late the show runs, but not last night. I'd had enough by 10:45pm. And thank you. I thought I was the only one who had never heard of him.

So, if Amy Poehler & Tina Fey DID write a song about actors whose penises we've seen, it would be an incredibly short song. (BA-DUM-BUM) It's not usually a choice young actors are forced to make to get work or be "taken seriously" in Hollywood.

I didn't mind the boob song. I thought it was a cheap way to get a laugh maybe, but not really offensive ... almost expected (considering the choice of host). I think there in lies the problem, he didn't do anything he hasn't done before. In fact, he did exactly what he's known for. Just because he put on a Tux doesn't mean he has class.

Look,I watch Family Guy and I find it hilarious, but I assumed that as a comedian he would be able to be creative enough to write for his audience, which is very different when you're hosting the Oscars. I found the whole thing flat. The comments about wife beating, Q and Clooney ... there was no wit, or smart humor. It was embarrassing.

I will admit to enjoying watching Family Guy, etc. I have certain expectations that it will be crass, it will offend, and that's the purpose of it. I know he's a smart guy- he has a great voice and can sing. I wanted nothing more than for him to shut up last night. He couldn't appear without disrespecting some group or another. I turned the oscars off for the first time ever because I could not stomach his actions anymore. He treated the event like one of the Comedy Channel roasts and was completely inappropriate on so many levels and it just kept going. I wished Hugh Jackman had just jumped up and said, that's okay Seth, I'll take it from here. When I realized I'd rather have Franco back... that's pretty sad.

Oscars are one of the few glamour events we have left. One of the few places I'd expect people to behave at least a little. His comedy was like watching hard core porn in a church. Out of place regardless if you like it or not.

If they wanted edgier comedy, someone call Dave Chappell. He does it much much better and much much funnier. If you want to go safer but funny- Jimmy Fallon. If you want different, hello Tina Fey! Or even Jimmy and Tina!

Of course, next year we'll have Joan Rivers. *sigh*

Was the act misogynistic? Not if your only criteria for misogyny is "the agent has a sincere, personal, acknowledged hatred of women". It is very tempting to think that sexism, racism, and homophobia all have to come from a place of sincere, acknowledged, overt belief or else they aren't real things: If I don't admit I hate someone, or if I don't think I do, then what I say can't be an example of sexism/racism/homophobia.

But the reason we believe that is a little bit like how we might try to claim that by lighting a fire on the stove we aren't boiling the frog: The fire isn't the boiling water; it's the boiling water that kills the frog; all I did was flip a switch on a device that is kind of related to boiling water. But since it isn't actually boiling water, it can't be responsible for killing the frog, and so neither am I. It's even easier to shift the burden when the example is more like a thousand people flipping switches and each contributing a little bit of flame to the pot.

This is what people trying to describe things like rape culture and institutional racism are trying to get across. There is a relationship, a causal one, between flipping the switch and the water boiling, between telling the joke, and your friend getting raped.

I shared very similar feelings over on Babble, that in a way, we're all buying into it, even when we try to teach our children that this type of behaviour is wrong. Agree with you 100%.


Thank you. All I can say is I couldn't have picked him out of a line up before last or even after watching for two hours. That's probably because all assholes look alike.

We have been moving closer and closer to there being no bounds to the degradation of women in the name of comedy. Honestly, I don't give a flying Family Guy if people think I have no sense of humor. It's crap. MacFarlane is no dummy. He could have written smarter stuff, so could the Onion for that matter. Unfortunately we have come to think that Robert Downey Jr. making lecherous looks at Emma Stone is acceptable as a bit at an awards show and that on the cover of a magazine Jennifer Aniston should wear only a bra while Paul Rudd in a suit, and that women wearing as much clothing as Adele is fucking revolutionary.

Women are more than their breasts.
People are more than their skin color.
Comedy is more than innuendo.

We have so far to go with regard to self-respect and demanding more than the predictable and largely unfunny sleazy gags.

Thanks for this.

When I stated that MacFarlane's sexism was unacceptable, I was surprised to have only women speak up against me, defending his actions. I was told that I shouldn't be surprised and that this was his schtick.

If we expect hate speech from someone, we are supposed to accept it, then? It made both angry and sad that it was women who told me we should accept what we expect, as though it has no bearing.

Avitable, once upon a time, blackface was part of humorous performances.

It's a cultural phenomenon, where we don't necessarily even realize we're part of a misogynistic (which has a far broader definition than that which you set forth) or racist or homophobic or xenophobic culture. We can recognize it and acknowledge it and work toward changing the culture, or we can defend it. Personally, I'm for change.

Thank you thank you, agree on all points!

I'd like a penis song.

My fifteen year old son thought Seth McFarlane and his hosting of the Oscars was 'AWESOME.'

Of course he did. Because he's 15 and there was a song about boobs.

It's a damn shame the Academy and our culture hasn't raised the bar above the level of pubescent 15 year olds and boobs. It serves no one well except for those teenaged boys and paints us all in a bad light.

I thought his jab at the Academy snubbing Affleck for director was spot on. If Tina Fey and Amy Poehler had sung a song about Harvey Keitel's penis being on display in a movie, it probably would have been funny.

Misogyny requires a hatred of women. I didn't see that. I saw immature humor, I saw trite humor that's been done before, but I didn't see anything hateful. Is it misogynistic to joke about women who hope for the flu or starve themselves to look "good" on camera when some of them have done that and you'll see women joke about that online?

And the blacksock joke was a jab directly at Ted Danson dressing in blackface for Whoopi and getting torn apart for it.

It wasn't the funniest Oscars, but it was far from the worst. And I would categorically say that it was not misogynistic. That requires a level of hatred towards women that was absolutely not present with a few old, bad jokes, and a musical number.


When can we finally say that The Emperor Has No Clothes and stop pretending that what happened last night had anything to do with humor? Because it wasn't humor, it was the lowest common denominator misogyny and that stopped being funny decades ago. Maybe centuries. So fucking frustrating and maddening.

I think this goes back to your previous post - that the appeal of McFarlane (or the lack of condemnation, anyway) is part of a misogynistic culture that used to be the de facto standard. Thanks to critical thinking and analysis and action, we're starting to chip away at that culture, but when it's in our faces like this (and in Super Bowl ads, for example), it's maddening to see that so many still accept it.

His performance was played to his exact audience: 14 year old boys.

I laughed at the boob song. But then it just kept going. And going. Then I stopped laughing altogether for the rest of the evening because the jokes ranged from insipid to stupid to just flat out ridiculously awful.

You don't have to play to humanity's lowest common denominator to be funny. Ask Ellen DeGeneres. And Amy Pohler. And Tina Fey.

Making a pedophile joke doesn't pass for sharp wit, there Seth. Nice try.

I only saw a couple minutes of him, but during that time he made a joke about Lincoln's assassination that made my jaw drop open with its awfulness.

Way back in the day, before it was cancelled (and resurrected) I did watch Family Guy. Now, though, as an older and more educated adult, I think Seth McFarlane is completely obnoxious and impossibly annoying. The "jokes" are not funny at all and are, at best, thinly veiled racist hate views that he uses his shows to project onto the public.

I'm glad I had my three littles bedtime antics keeping my from watching the Oscars last night. Sounds like I did not miss anything.

(Btw, I've been de-lurking recently. I very much appreciate your writing. Some things you discuss are very thought provoking for me so thank you.)

I also agree entirely.

For what little it's worth, a friend observed that the Jennifer Lawrence footage isn't from last night. She's wearing a different dress and hairstyle than she had before (on the red carpet) and after (during her acceptance speech). She may have authorized the use of the footage though.

Shaking my head over the whole thing over on my Facebook page today, where Neil Kramer made what I thought was a very intelligent observation about the way Billy Crystal and others used to tell "laughing with you" jokes versus the "laughing at you" snipes that we've seen on recent Oscars. I guess there are people who find it funny, but it just makes me cringe.

I agree with every word here. Thank you.

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