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hmmm - interesting ! :)

Well, what a progressive and artfully minded readership you have here my dear!

The first thing I thought when I saw it was that my Mormon MIL would love it. So I do understand the application for devout folks who don't like the motherfucker stuff (although I might caution them to stay away from Tarrantino and Coppola and Abel Ferrara - edited or not).

I guess I just don't like someone making those decisions for me. I have authority issues.

And Melissa? Not bruschetta. It was prosciutto. Trust me. I'm still dreaming about it.

EXACTLY. Complete censorship will not save our children or our future. I believe it does the opposite. That's not to say I will let my kids watch anything they want. There has to be a middle ground, and more importantly, *open discussion* -- you couldn't have said it better!

The lazy parent's solution to continuing to use their TV as a babysitter.

Girl has a classmate who's parent's censor nothing. They take naps while their kids play on the computer or watch movies.

This product is *perfect* for them.

Ugh.

In the movie "Fantastic Mr. Fox", every time a character wants to drop the F bomb they replace it with the word "Cuss." Like, "what the cuss?" The more it is said, the funnier it gets and the kids were all giggling.

Near the end of the movie, the scene is in a downtown area. On the wall behind the characters is graffiti that says, "Cuss." Brilliant solution.

This is an insane product. I agree, if a movie is rated R your kid shouldn't be watching it anyways. Even if it is edited. parents need to just monitor what their kids are watching. I also agree that there is just as much violence in cartoons and sexual innuendos as there are in movies.

Julie,
Good point. I would indeed watch every movie with my parents with this machine. I know that seems childish, but I know their standards and I respect them. No, I don't have the same standards, but now that I'm a parent I get why it's important to respect my own, even as an adult, even in my own house. (Of course this is easy for me because my parents are seriously saintly and the most selfless people I know. Had I had selfish, horrid parents I might feel differently.)

If you go to Salt Lake City (where my sister-in-law lives) they have videos stores that specialize in editing movies. As in, you can go get the latest saw movie without the cutting-through-the-flesh part. Or you can get Good Fellas dubbed. It's a hoot.

I cannot for the life of me understand why they cannot just either preview movies before their children watch them or just explain that they should not watch them because they have too much ______. Like my parents did. And when I did finally see something when I was 13 that had an ACTUAL CURSE WORD IN IT, I was completely aghast.

My kid, however, has seen The Holy Grail.

As an adult, I wouldn't want to watch a movie that had been edited for me in this way. However, for kids, I could see how "Snow White" without the part where the hunter has to cut out her heart or "Bambi" without the part where his mom is killed has its usefulness.

Heard all about clearplay via the many Mormons friends in Utah. Based on him blasphemy comment, that is the team this company plays for. I think it all started with Titanic. I see movies as a type of art and I don't think they should be edited in any way. Take it or leave it.

I didn't talk to them but the idea of censorship bothers me.

Either let them watch the movie or don't. Easy peasy.

If it was inappropriate and they saw it, help them to understand it. That is what REAL parenting is about, not censorship.

I think the food you're looking for is bruschetta

My oldest has a friend whose mother doesn't allow her to watch anything over G. Like not at all, not ever. Went ballistic on the school one day, because of a PG movie. It was a Disney movie. However, it was PG. Her eight year old isn't allowed to see it.

I can't imagine how much that girl will rebel in a few more years. There is protecting them and then sheltering them.

Oh dear. That was a book - NAY, a BIBLE.

Sorry.

I live in U-T-A-H, in the heart of Utah County, in an almost 100% mormon neighborhood, and I'll tell you what - I LOVE it here, love the Andy Griffith feel and the fact that my kids think "stupid" is the "S" word that adults talk about.

BUT.

There is also a tendency to keep our children so completely over-sheltered that they have no concept of the real world and how it operates. This product, as you might guess, is WILDLY popular here.

I'm a WAH tech writer and have a PT, 21 year old nanny who recently got married, and she had no idea until the week before her wedding, what sex actually meant. I KID YOU NOT. She thought it was when you made out with your clothes off. Even here, I cannot understand how she got to be 21 years old with no idea about sex. Blows my mind.

I'm not going to plop my kids down in front of a Quentin Tarantino flick, we definitely keep things age appropriate, but as a parent, I'd better be less concerned about sheltering them, and more concerned with giving them the tools to successfully operate in the Real World. (Not to be confused with The Real World, because if my kid ever tries to go on MTV I will lock her away in the basement with nothing but Clearplay flicks to watch.)

Can you imagine the looks your grade school kid would get from a teacher if they said they watched something like "Meet the Parents," "American Pie," or "Law Abiding Citizen" if they didn't know you had one of these contraptions. Makes me giggle a little at the thought of it.

By the way, I agree some of the plot may be lost with something like this and if I have to censor a movie for my kids to watch then they aren't going to watch it. This includes Disney movies in our house too. We don't watch alot of them either.

I actually wouldn't mind if some movies that are extraordinarily violent but tell a good story (like some of Mel Gibson's films before he went crazy) had versions available without commercials that were similar to the versions aired if they're on TV--ie, less gory, so that I can watch them with my son when he's older (but not old enough). I would've liked such an option when I was 8-10 years old myself, since my folks didn't let me see anything more than "PG".

As to the comment about "Owellian," it's only censorship when it's done by the government. If a private company wants to make some films more "family friendly" by editing them, and there's a market that will buy them, having that option is a good thing. Provided they can survive the copyright lawsuit (which one company failed to do).

I think this product is silly at best, and harmful at worst. I mean, I screened movies before the kids watched it if it wasn't seriously a Disney cartoon or something explicitly for kids. And if I thought it was appropriate, they could watch it. If not, then nope. Not any of it.

But the harm to me comes in not as a mother, but as a mother and an art historian together. I want my kids to love the lush, weird, awesome, beautiful nature of art forms. Movies included along with paintings, sculpture, etc. If all they ever watch are shitty, chopped up versions of movies, then why bother? I'd rather have them watch appropriate films in its full version than try to make them think an R rated movie was suddenly G with half its content and context.

preach it sister!
honestly parents need to step up, research the films, programming, etc and decide what's appropriate to watch and not watch and just buck up and enforce their own personal code.
someone mentioned Harry Potter. great books, great movies but hello? not appropriate for someone like my 1st grader who is sensitive and easily influenced by dark, scary, violent stuff. so i play the part as the great and powerful mom and tell him that no, he may not watch his sister's copy of HP and i tell his teen-aged sister that no, she may not play it while her brother is home and awake...even if he is in the other room of our open floor plan home.
mu opinion is movie ratings and such are a guide for us parents to decide if it is okay for our children or even ourselves to view. we need to be the grown up, step and take that responsibility and stop blaming entertainment industry for exposing us to unnecessary violence, sex or blasphemy because, PatRobertson dammit, we are the grownups and it is time for us to act like it.

B, I can certainly understand not wanting to watch that scene with my parents (or worse, my in-laws) in the room.

But you said "when you don't know it's going to happen." That seems to imply that if you had this machine, you'd watch every movie on it, just in case there was some crazy sex scene you wouldn't want to view in mixed company, which doesn't make sense to me.

I'd love to see what this contraption would do to 9 1/2 Weeks. Would there be any footage left to watch?

Everyone wants to relieve the parent of their responsibility to their child. This product is ridiculous. It is my job. I don't always do it perfectly (or even well sometimes) but that's why I get paid the big bucks, right?

Blasphemy. My word of the day. I can't wait to bust it out at my next meeting. Tee hee.

Haha Coma Girl. Also the whole "CLOSE YOUR EYES AND SHUT YOUR EARS" that my parents did.

It only made me more curious to see what I was missing.

I actually disagree with you. My main example is Jerry McGuire. It isn't the language, it's that sex scene in the beginning. And it wasn't children in the room, it was my 70 year old parents. I don't care how forward-thinking you are, being in the room when a woman screams, "NEVER STOP F*&^ING ME!" is horrifying, especially when you don't know it's going to happen.

As for my kids, I'm okay with letting them know that they are watching an edited movie. My oldest is extremely sensitive to violence, so to me an edited Harry Potter is a wonderful alternative for her.

Seems like a lot of unnecessary hassle and expense. We talk about what's appropriate and what's not, and that's not always governed by a movie rating system. Bratz commercials may air on Nickelodeon, but that doesn't mean they're appropriate for my kids.

Growing up we had a copy of Grease that was a "clean" version, so I thought it was just a cute movie with singing. So imagine if someone saw me as a child singing "Greased Lightning", they wouldn't have known that my version had the "dirty" words taken out (mine said "the chicks will scream"). They would have thought my mother was crazy.

Well, she was. But that's besides the point. It's just easier to tell your kids that a certain movie is for adults, end of story.

Isn't that our job? To make our kid's lives miserable by saying they can't do or see certain things? ;)

Blech! Eek, gag.

I hate this idea. (Not your post.)

The storylines of R-rated movies are usually inappropriate for kids, not just the snippets of profanity or violence or sex. There is just as much violence in some kids' cartoons as there is in most movies. I say wait until the child is mature enough to understand the movie for what it really is, then give it to 'em full-strength and see what they think about it.

But watering something down? Wrong, wrong, wrong, and so Orwellian.

This seems to offer fodder for future psychological damage. Imagine a group of kids talking about some cool movie and your kid has no idea because the scenes were all edited out. Weird.

I'm not into this kind of thing; rather, it seems more useful (and um, less work) to make decisions in advance of what I think my kid can handle. For example, Laurel is terrified of witches (re: Snow White). It's not surprising, instead of just banishing the princess to the attic, she tries to poison and kill her. Anyway, so this Feb. vacation my mother in law asked if it was OK to have her watch Wizard of Oz, which garned a huge, resounding "NO!" from me. Unless of course, she was OK with Laurel screaming in the middle of the night and crawling into her bed.

Of course there are the times when you get a movie and think it will be fine and it's not. In these cases, isn't that what that old-fangled fast forward button is for?

I agree that dumbing down bad movies is probably not the best way to educate! But the thing is, most kids aren't really interested in 'adult content'unless it's expressely forbidden. Until my daughter was 6, she did her own censoring, refusing to watch anything the she felt was morally objectionable (including Pollyanna because the heroin disobeys her aunt at some point). The only film she thought was 'suitable for children' was Mary Poppins. Now she's 11 she's graduated herself to BBC's prime time programs like Doctor Who.

I think you either let your kid watch the movie or you don't--it shouldn't take away the parental decision-making process. GRIPE GRIPE PREACH.

Also, I'd like to add in more Ryan Reynolds sex scenes and cut off the fingers of all the women in those sex scenes, at the same time.

I agree wholeheartedly, I just don't see the point in this. If you don't like violence and swearing then dont watch stuff with it in. if a movie is aimed at adults then chances are, even with all the 'bad' stuff taken out, it's still going to be suitable for kids. Besides which, wouldn't whole chunks of the plot be missing? how confusing!

I love this post. It is our job as parents to prepare them for the real world-- blood, guts, "blasphemy" and all. And obviously, there are certain ages and certain ways of doing that in the way you feel best, but just editing it all out of a film (that they probably shouldn't be watching in the first place) is silly. There are plenty of G or PG rated films out there for kids. Also, though some R rated movies are just crappy blockbusters with cheap thrills, there are also the films that have been artfully designed and purposefully, needfully, include nudity, swearing, blood and violence. Without them, the film wouldn't make sense. And they probably aren't intended to make sense to people under a certain age...

And though I definitely take short-cuts and wouldn't classify myself as the most awesome parent in the universe ever, doesn't this sort of sniff of lazy parenting to anyone else? It's harder work to explain to your kids why certain things are age-appropriate, so the easy route would just be to edit it all out. But I don't think this is the best way in the long run...

I remember reading of one blogger who was a Mormon and had never seen an R-rated movie----I imagine that this would make the movie less offensive, but then, what's the point? Can you imagine watching Fargo without any of the blood? It wouldn't make any sense!

I hate that parents might use this for the kids to watch R-rated movies. Just make them wait until they are 17 (or look 17) like I had to. I can't think of any movie I'd "have" to get in front of my kids before they are of age. Heck, there are plenty of R-rated movies I'd NEVER EVER watch, and I am WAYYYYY past the legal age.

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