I'm pretty sure I had "My baby will not grow up to be a biter" on my birth plan under "I like pain so don't offer me anything that might affect my glorious experience of it."
Biting sucks.
It's one thing for your kid is the bitee, but I bet it's a whole other mortifying ball game when your kid is the biter. It doesn't matter how good your martinis are or how tantalizing your spinach-artichoke dip in pumpernickel without water chestnuts (because um, that crunch is almost spine shivering) because you've got a biter. Fingers are pointed, secrets are whispered, and you try to figure out exactly what you did wrong that made your kid a biter.
I'm not sure how I would respond if my daughter decided to nibble on a playmate's arm.
"I forgot to feed her before we came."
"It's not my fault your kid's arm looks like an Oscar Meyer hot dog."
"It could be worse. She could have grabbed his ass."
Yeah. Those just don't seem to cut it. But I have to say, I'm not so sure having a biter is as bad as having a hugger.
We've yet to encounter a biter, but we ran into plenty of huggers this past week, and honestly, I think I'd take a biter over a hugger any day.
See with a biter, the parents intervene instantly, apologize profusely, and then watch their child like a hawk. And unless their child is an IV drug user (like most three year olds in our neighborhood), there is little chance my kid is going to die from a bite.
But a hugger? Good God they never stop!
Even when they're about to wrestle your daughter underwater from a hug that looks more like a tackle, the parents do little but say "Oh, he just likes to hug."
I mean, I like to hug too, but I generally try to make sure people can breathe when I do it.
The parent offers a couple of idle threats, directs a mean stare their way, and then just let them continue on with their love fest of suffocation.
I guess people perceive hugging as being warm and friendly. But guess what? A lot of things can be warm and friendly until they are done 20 times in a five-minute span. I mean, after watching both my kids get knocked down with "warm and friendly" hugs, I was about to offer their arms up for a biting sacrifice.
"Here kid. Bite their arms so you can get in trouble and LEAVE MY KIDS ALONE."
And quite frankly, most biters grow out of it in a matter of months. Better verbal skills, a bit more frustration tolerance, and the only biting they'll do will hopefully be for the pleasure of others later in life (heh).
But huggers? Cripes. I still know way too many of those.
And they're my age.
What do you do when there are parents in a playgroup that when you mention that your child watches a particular TV show they seem to have a comment. Example-- I mentioned that my 7 year-old liked to watch a certain super hero show--Power Rangers. A mother right away said that those shows weren't appropriate for that age range and that it promotes violence among children. I got really upset but didn't say anything. Should I have made a comment or just ignored it even though it really bothered me...
Posted by: Karen R | February 24, 2008 at 08:09 PM
But after all aren't we all either lovers or fighters, huggers or biters?
Posted by: mariposa | September 11, 2007 at 09:50 PM
A friend of mine has had her son kicked out of two daycare centers for biting. That said, we're lucky (?) and our son only bites Daddy when he's really, really angry. (!) Quite frankly, our son doesn't want you to touch him if you're a kid or an adult that he doesn't know all that well. So, yeah, we could do without the huggers as well. My maternal grandmother doesn't seem to get that one... and it makes my son bite my Husband every time! Oh dear.
Posted by: Jenna | September 11, 2007 at 03:24 PM
You crack me up! Don't forget the hitters! Mine was a hitter. We got through that quickly, thank goodness. I know grown up huggers too. I like my personal space too much, and they annoy me.
Posted by: Heather | September 11, 2007 at 06:20 AM
I know people that hug way too much. I can't stand it. I have serious personal space issues.
Oh, and by the way Michele, Kudos on the sneak bite-return. I'll have to remember that for when my son gets a little older.
Posted by: trailin' | September 10, 2007 at 10:17 PM
We are starting at a new day care in a week and the last time I went by there to drop off my paperwork I discovered that they have a hugger of their very own. Booger is only 8 1/2 months but this three year old girl hugged me and him about 5 times each in the 10 minutes I was there. I patted her on the head but Boog cried, I hope this isn't a bad omen for our new daycare arrangements.
Posted by: ImpostorMom | September 10, 2007 at 09:30 PM
I had a mom who laughed and told her son, "Oh honey, you can't be loving on everyone like that." She mistook her son's aggressive behavior as being "loving". WTF? Her 18 month old head locked my shrimpy 18 month daughter and wrestled her to the ground. She was extremely upset and fearful of this kid immediately after. That isn't a hug, that's assult sister! Oh, of course I had to be the bitch and pry him off of my daughter and sternly tell him, "No! no. That hurts and we don't do that!" That woman obviously thought her son was just being a "boy".
Posted by: Lily | September 10, 2007 at 08:34 PM
My 5 year old, after being bitten by his one year old sister, asked, "Why did you have to have a baby?" I reminded him that we LOVE our baby, and he responded, "Well, why couldnt you born one that doesnt bite?"
Posted by: MsGudy2Shoes | September 10, 2007 at 04:35 PM
I had a biter briefly, he grew out of it before he bit any casual acquaintance's child and I had to deal with playgroup ostracism. Fortunately my close friends' kids had their own 'issues' and we all agreed to just intervene, end the situation and not dwell on the various behaviors.
There is a hugger in our playgroup. Kids have been known to run from her shouting 'no want hugs!', which her mom thinks is 'too cute'. I told her one day that she needs to teach her daughter "no means no"
Posted by: Stacey | September 10, 2007 at 04:24 PM
Having had a 'My way or the high way-er', a clinger and a biter, I have to say the biter was the worst. You never knew when she was gonna bite and the feeling of those awfully cute baby teeth trying to meet with little flaps of your skin between them??? NOT FUN. The clinger wasn't much more fun but at least it wasn't so painful.
Posted by: noname | September 10, 2007 at 03:23 PM
I have a 13 month old hugger...it's a cute party trick at home when it's a stuffed animal, but I cringe when he goes after other little kids. I definitely try to watch it. One of these days a biter will get him back and perhaps then they'll both be even.
Posted by: High Heeled Mama | September 10, 2007 at 03:04 PM
I've got one biter - as in left teeth marks that could be used as dental records on the kid next door - and it's horrifying. I've also got family members (adult and offspring) who are huggers. I'm pretty huggy or can at least handle it. My husband and HRH - not.at.all. HRH backs/runs away or caught unawares hollers.
Posted by: Manic Mommy | September 10, 2007 at 02:44 PM
LOL I hate those kids too... my daughter will hug just about anyone her height or lower - but she doesn't tackle, and then I tell her to back off (because seriously, that's how head lice are spread, people) but no thanks on the biter!
Posted by: Dawn @ Coming to a Nursery Near You | September 10, 2007 at 02:11 PM
My kids can take a bite with grace and dignity but DAMN THOSE HUGGERS! With biting the social rules are pretty cut and dry but when the assault is masked by sunshine and lollypops I never know how to react.
Thus far I have yet to see a biter break skin. I have however seen a child's head gouged open by a hug gone wrong. The offenders mother was frighteningly unapologetic, I suppose that just because the hugger didn't *mean* to smack my kids head on the cold hard pavement makes it okay.
It's okay though. My kid didn't *mean* to poke hers in the eye Three Stooges style. She was just showing him how to count to two.
Posted by: KissinBee | September 10, 2007 at 01:16 PM
Mothergoosemouse/Kristin: My son's shove of the little girl happened at a neighborhood playgroup that was a little too large (possibly 20 kids ages 2-6 in one playroom). The meeting is for the neighborhood Mom's Group that hosts these playgroups, among other activities. I'm going to march in there bravely, knowing my kid is not a bad kid, but a good kid who did a bad thing. Her kid will too some day. Maybe her kid will be The Biter!
Posted by: Jill | September 10, 2007 at 12:48 PM
When my daughter bit, she only bit me, and has been the bitee once or twice...and since when she was on the receiving end of it it was from her friend whose parents I know would overreact if it was the other way around, I was glad to be on this side of it.
But, now, she is a hugger. I am vigilant about it, though. I would never just let her tackle and strangle other kids in the name of a hug. We've worked a lot on the asking if you can give a hug, and she's great in practice...but not so good yet in the real-life situations. sigh. It can definitely be a bit embarrassing...
Posted by: Sara | September 10, 2007 at 12:37 PM
I'm so on your wavelength with this one. I had a kid who literally JUST MET US grab The Poo in a headlock and wrestle her to the ground. She was crying and the mom was all, "oooohh, how sweet!"
Don't molest my kid, period, with biting, hitting ... or hugging.
Posted by: Mrs. Chicken | September 10, 2007 at 11:42 AM
I hate huggers too! My son Evan is very easily unbalanced and if he gets hugged by another little kid he invariable topples over and I have to deal with the fall out. Luckily we have not encountered too many of that ilk.
Posted by: Awesome Mom | September 10, 2007 at 11:36 AM
My kid is a bitter, but only bits me. I am special I suppose.
Posted by: melissa | September 10, 2007 at 11:35 AM
Hee hee!
My son is definitely a biter.
Posted by: Damselfly | September 10, 2007 at 11:04 AM
I've been the mother of the biter and the mother of the bitee, and I much prefer being the latter.
But I guess my kids take after me in that you've got to cajole them into giving hugs. Hugs, ugh.
(Jill, I'm curious: Did this happen at a pre-school or a private playgroup? A mass meeting seems like a strange way to handle the situation in either case - and definitely not appropriate if it was a pre-school setting.)
Posted by: mothergoosemouse | September 10, 2007 at 10:56 AM
Hah! Rhiannon used to bite -- and all it took was me biting her back one time and it was over.
She does like to race from one end of the house and jump at me like a flying squirrel to hug me.
and yell "OOOF!!" on impact. LOL
Posted by: Alyssa | September 10, 2007 at 10:50 AM
My son has been a hugger and a biter. I prefer the hugger. It is still pretty socially acceptable. Biting is so barbarous.
Posted by: M&Co. | September 10, 2007 at 10:46 AM
I know, seriously, what's with the 30 year olds that hug at every opportunity?
We talked for all of two minutes in the street? Obvs requires a hug hi and bye. Oy. It's like that Seinfeld episode where he dreads the hello kiss(ers).
My Little Man is turning out to be a pincher so far...probably better than a biter (definitely better for my nipples!).
Posted by: VDog | September 10, 2007 at 10:45 AM
My son was a classic tackle hugger and I felt it was my job, just like if he was a biter, to intervene. Before he even got close to someone I would instruct him to ask, can I hug you?, and then to stop when/if they said so. I wasn't always successful, but trying is part of the battle. He has trouble understanding personal space and being too rough. He wanted the other kid to hug the daylights out of him, so it is a little different then biting - I don't think any kid wants to be bitten.
Posted by: Lori at Spinning Yellow | September 10, 2007 at 10:40 AM
Oh I'm sorry Jill. But at least he didn't bite her, right?
Posted by: Kristen | September 10, 2007 at 10:34 AM
My Lillian is a hugger, and believe me, I'm on her like a hawk, since most kids, after the first hug, get a little tired of baby arms wrapping around their neck or head. I allow her a gentle hug if it's accepted and then move her along.
Posted by: Kelly | September 10, 2007 at 10:27 AM
Oh the drama of a biter.
Gesh. I've never understood why parents get so up in arms over biting. In my former playgroup, moms would get all in a tizzy and mean at the mere talk of "if we had a biter". The mommy judgment from the mere idea of having a biter was crazy. And yep, my kids have been on the receiving end of bites so I know what it feels like to have your kid bit. Still though, chill out people.
I don't see any difference with inappropriate hugging and biting. Our job is to teach our kids the right social behavior and painful hugging shouldn't be viewed any different than biting.
So let's all get our panties in a wad over hugging too.
Posted by: Heather | September 10, 2007 at 10:22 AM
My kids have a hugger at their daycare. He is also a "SuperBaby" (his Mom's term, I just think of him as Giant Classmate Eating boy), so his hugs are more like python grips. My kids have figured out on their own that if they push him in the nose, hard, as he comes in for the death grip, they can stop him.
They also have a special needs kid in their class who bites, and he is a sneak attacker, but since he is "Special" they cant fight back. I am teaching them the sneak bite-return on the sly. Its a hig, but you slip in a nice chomp on the shoulder before you release.
And water chestnuts, are like juicy styrofoam. I dont get them either.
Posted by: Michele | September 10, 2007 at 09:02 AM
No, you really don't want to have a biter over a hugger. I'm in the position of having to go to a meeting tonight at the home of the child who my son shoved off a slide on Friday. Don't ask me how she got so many injuries from 3 feet up, but she did and her mother read me the riot act in front of twenty other parents, many of whom will be at tonight's meeting too. I just can't wait till her perfect child does something bad and hurts someone else. No, right now I wish he'd hugged her till she fell and got those same injuries.
Posted by: Jill | September 10, 2007 at 08:51 AM